St. Louis Marathon

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While I congratulate you on the Marathon, I do disagree with you on the wall. Run a few sub-5 marathons and then tell me what you think on that as Lance Armstrong has commented a few times publicly that he even hit the proverbial wall and had to push through it. Both in New York and latest when he qualified for Boston. I think it's harder and you experience more of it when you're pushing yourself anaerobic sooner in the 26.2 mile journey. Then you really go into the carbohydrates stores.
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Congratulations on your finish and time. Makes me want to run a second marathon!
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Awesome job! Congrats. :)
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Great post and congrats on your second marathon.

I agree... there is no such thing as the wall... bonking, not training properly, overextending onself, yes.... but not the wall.

Best of luck in November.

Maybe, and I appreciate your comment, but fortunately this is my own world of running and I am able to form my own opinions and my own expertise as I go. So from my own position there is no such thing as a wall. To you, there is, and that's fine. You are going to see my world here. Thanks.
I'm not saying this isn't kuddos for the Marathon. Don't interpret it as such! Many experts (Hal Higdon & Paula Radcliff) with far more experience than I have mentioned that there are different kinds of walls for runners. There are mental barriers as well as physical barriers and in my opinion also a nutritional barriers. These are all walls according to Hal Higdon. Paula Radcliff sited hitting the proverbial wall in the last Olympic Marathon where she just laid on the side of the road and broke down into cheers. She had trained properly, had done nutrition properly, and just couldn't push things any further forward.

My unit with the 2nd Battaltion 6th marines does the Marine Corps Marathon every year with 40lb ruck sacks and full camouflage and every year we all hit a point where we really have to push through mentally where we've really reached the end of our rope. That is the wall for us.

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"I am able to form my own opinions and my own expertise as I go." I would hope so as your a grown man and at your present age you should be able to form your own opinions.

Hey I'm running the Marine Corps, Chicago, and New York marathons this year and god willing Boston next year so I hope we can have a pint and a discussion over this "wall" when you smash 5hrs at this years New York.

Go Long and Livestrong!

Wow Mark, congrats on your second marathon and improving your time. Regarding the wall... I'm guessing that comes into play more as you get a lot faster, kinda like Chris said. I really wouldn't say any of us are experts yet as we're all students of running. Hopefully you can take the knowledge you've acquired so far and it will push you towards a sub-5 hour marathon... sounds like that's your goal :-)




I can dig that. I still think it is a matter of symbolism to me, though. I do not see walls where others see walls. Hopefully I can taste more and more of that true physical dig-down by pushing myself harder and harder through training. But I still think most people are conditioned to brace for something called a "wall" because others have branded it as such. I just don't believe there are really walls and I appreciate that others do.


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Congrats on the second marathon an an awesome time! My second was the NYC marathon in 2005. I matched my previous time but considering the NYC course is tougher than Chicago's, I considered it a great achievement. Now my third marathon, Chicago 06 was my marathon with no wall so I know they do exist. I ran negative splits and my fastest miles were the last five, with three of them into the wind. I was exuberantly happy throughout the course and was pushing myself the entire way. Its all a matter of headspace too. I was in a good place emotionally.

Chicago 07 was a disaster on many levels with the weather hitting me hard and getting diverted off the course at mile 22, but with the 08 season upon me, I am joining a training group, working on my speed and aiming for a BQ! Funny, this journey....I was like you, an overweight smoker who started to run and now I can't get enough of it.

Props to you and your accomplishment in the marathon and your book!

Great comment, much appreciated and stay in touch, look forward to hearing about your journey. Just ran a PR of 2:15:46 at the Brooklyn Half today!

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